<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Swiss Ban Minarets From Skyline</title> <atom:link href="http://yesbuthowever.com/swiss-ban-minarets-8136288/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://yesbuthowever.com/swiss-ban-minarets-8136288/</link> <description>Leaning right, leaning left, YBH!</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 18:16:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3</generator> <item><title>By: :) Peacee</title><link>http://yesbuthowever.com/swiss-ban-minarets-8136288/comment-page-1/#comment-8531</link> <dc:creator>:) Peacee </dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 18:38:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://yesbuthowever.com/?p=2261#comment-8531</guid> <description>I don&#039;t know what you&#039;re talking about. You should seriously straighten your facts first before you go on criticizing and complaining. I live in Egypt, which is a muslim country. Churchs are built everywhere, and are constantly being constructed. And as far as i know, not a single muslim opposed this. So if you want to go on wrecking the image of Islam and muslims, please, stop. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t know what you&#039;re talking about. You should seriously straighten your facts first before you go on criticizing and complaining. I live in Egypt, which is a muslim country. Churchs are built everywhere, and are constantly being constructed. And as far as i know, not a single muslim opposed this. So if you want to go on wrecking the image of Islam and muslims, please, stop.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: SLL</title><link>http://yesbuthowever.com/swiss-ban-minarets-8136288/comment-page-1/#comment-5894</link> <dc:creator>SLL</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:58:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://yesbuthowever.com/?p=2261#comment-5894</guid> <description>Thank you for being a reasonable voice of what &quot;Western&quot; ideology and belief is really about. Democracy is about promoting freedom for all until it begins to harm others - &quot;My right to swing my fist ends where your nose begins.&quot; Even many Muslims don&#039;t agree with how Saudi Arabia portrays Islam, but it is a sovereign nation and its government has the right to govern however it wishes. Naturally this right belongs to the Swiss as well, however we Europeans should remember our values and not allow them to be replaced by fear mongering. As the proverb goes, if we don&#039;t use our beliefs to guide our life, then our lives will determine our beliefs. Peace to you. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for being a reasonable voice of what &quot;Western&quot; ideology and belief is really about. Democracy is about promoting freedom for all until it begins to harm others &#8211; &quot;My right to swing my fist ends where your nose begins.&quot; Even many Muslims don&#039;t agree with how Saudi Arabia portrays Islam, but it is a sovereign nation and its government has the right to govern however it wishes. Naturally this right belongs to the Swiss as well, however we Europeans should remember our values and not allow them to be replaced by fear mongering. As the proverb goes, if we don&#039;t use our beliefs to guide our life, then our lives will determine our beliefs. Peace to you.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ricky</title><link>http://yesbuthowever.com/swiss-ban-minarets-8136288/comment-page-1/#comment-5817</link> <dc:creator>Ricky</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:47:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://yesbuthowever.com/?p=2261#comment-5817</guid> <description>It&#039;s interesting that we (west) criticize the fundamental lack of tolerance in Muslims and then we ourselves display intolerance, and to top it all we give Muslim intolerance as the basis and excuse for our own intolerance. The logical conclusion of all this is simply that we are starting to loose the advantage we once had, as we no longer are tolerant and hence can no longer criticize others for not being either. Secondly, people born into freedom (like most west) have started to take their freedoms for granted. The thinking that a majority should be able to gang up on the minority is fraught with danger and ultimately oppressive societies, against which the founders of democratic/secular political order fought and brought about the political system under which we live...alas people are no longer aware of the true reasons and beauties of secular and tolerant system. For the proponents of this ban, I suggest reading up on the philosophical underpinnings of the political system and western society before you attempt to explain this ban as a means to &quot;protect&quot; western society. You may be surprised to learn the reasons why the Laws evolved to espouse the freedom of religion and expression and why the good Laws are &quot;generic&quot; and not &quot;specific&quot; - just imagine what you&#039;d need to do to this law to make it truly generic and the possibilities will startle you. I warn you to not simply ignore those possibilities simply because you see them as unlikely as you are in the majority, since everyone is in a minority at some stage. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s interesting that we (west) criticize the fundamental lack of tolerance in Muslims and then we ourselves display intolerance, and to top it all we give Muslim intolerance as the basis and excuse for our own intolerance. The logical conclusion of all this is simply that we are starting to loose the advantage we once had, as we no longer are tolerant and hence can no longer criticize others for not being either.</p><p>Secondly, people born into freedom (like most west) have started to take their freedoms for granted. The thinking that a majority should be able to gang up on the minority is fraught with danger and ultimately oppressive societies, against which the founders of democratic/secular political order fought and brought about the political system under which we live&#8230;alas people are no longer aware of the true reasons and beauties of secular and tolerant system.<br /> For the proponents of this ban, I suggest reading up on the philosophical underpinnings of the political system and western society before you attempt to explain this ban as a means to &quot;protect&quot; western society. You may be surprised to learn the reasons why the Laws evolved to espouse the freedom of religion and expression and why the good Laws are &quot;generic&quot; and not &quot;specific&quot; &#8211; just imagine what you&#039;d need to do to this law to make it truly generic and the possibilities will startle you. I warn you to not simply ignore those possibilities simply because you see them as unlikely as you are in the majority, since everyone is in a minority at some stage.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jinto556</title><link>http://yesbuthowever.com/swiss-ban-minarets-8136288/comment-page-1/#comment-5809</link> <dc:creator>Jinto556</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:10:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://yesbuthowever.com/?p=2261#comment-5809</guid> <description>how about when the saudi&#039;s allow christians to practice openly the swiss allow muslims to alter their skyline.  deal? </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how about when the saudi&#39;s allow christians to practice openly the swiss allow muslims to alter their skyline.  deal?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Prof Aighedd</title><link>http://yesbuthowever.com/swiss-ban-minarets-8136288/comment-page-1/#comment-5813</link> <dc:creator>Prof Aighedd</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:46:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://yesbuthowever.com/?p=2261#comment-5813</guid> <description>1) The Swiss can decide what they want in their own country. 2) In the last 60 years, how many churches have been constructed in the muslim countries? Zero!! 3) In the last 60 years, how many mosques have been constructed in Europe? Thousands!! 4) Every islamic commentator speaks about &quot;discrimination&quot;!!!! 5) When in Rome, do as the Romans do! Are the muslims in Europe listening?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) The Swiss can decide what they want in their own country.<br /> 2) In the last 60 years, how many churches have been constructed in the muslim countries? Zero!!<br /> 3) In the last 60 years, how many mosques have been constructed in Europe? Thousands!!<br /> 4) Every islamic commentator speaks about &#8220;discrimination&#8221;!!!!<br /> 5) When in Rome, do as the Romans do! Are the muslims in Europe listening?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Matt</title><link>http://yesbuthowever.com/swiss-ban-minarets-8136288/comment-page-1/#comment-5812</link> <dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:44:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://yesbuthowever.com/?p=2261#comment-5812</guid> <description>Whoa! Everywhere I read comments about this story, I see all this tit-for-tat BS about &quot;Hey, when Muslims stop being jerks to us in their countries, we&#039;ll start being nice to them in ours.&quot;I live in Brooklyn near a Muslim school, so I observe plenty of second generation kids in a non-Muslim country. Naturally, their culture is watered down when they can come to our country and do what they want. They can&#039;t keep their kids from watching Spongebob. Their culture is being eroded by new media just like yours.If we want these people to play it cool in the future, we have to expose our ideological selves to them, because that is the behavior of people who know they&#039;re right. This doesn&#039;t mean that we don&#039;t take actual security threats seriously. There will always be nutjobs with bombs, but we can&#039;t expect radicals to chill while they&#039;re made to feel like second-class citizens. MY ATTITUDE IS DIFFERENT FROM APPEASEMENT, I feel it is something like a natural courtesy among earthlings.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa! Everywhere I read comments about this story, I see all this tit-for-tat BS about &#8220;Hey, when Muslims stop being jerks to us in their countries, we&#8217;ll start being nice to them in ours.&#8221;</p><p>I live in Brooklyn near a Muslim school, so I observe plenty of second generation kids in a non-Muslim country. Naturally, their culture is watered down when they can come to our country and do what they want. They can&#8217;t keep their kids from watching Spongebob. Their culture is being eroded by new media just like yours.</p><p>If we want these people to play it cool in the future, we have to expose our ideological selves to them, because that is the behavior of people who know they&#8217;re right. This doesn&#8217;t mean that we don&#8217;t take actual security threats seriously. There will always be nutjobs with bombs, but we can&#8217;t expect radicals to chill while they&#8217;re made to feel like second-class citizens. MY ATTITUDE IS DIFFERENT FROM APPEASEMENT, I feel it is something like a natural courtesy among earthlings.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jay</title><link>http://yesbuthowever.com/swiss-ban-minarets-8136288/comment-page-1/#comment-5811</link> <dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:35:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://yesbuthowever.com/?p=2261#comment-5811</guid> <description>Clean your own house first Ashraf. You may ban the Swiss products, but that does nothing to prove that you are anywhere close to accepting that there are some serious issues with your religion. Let some one build a Church or Temple in Mecca and we will let you build a hundred minarets..... We know you will never do that, cause you are intolerant to the core. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clean your own house first Ashraf. You may ban the Swiss products, but that does nothing to prove that you are anywhere close to accepting that there are some serious issues with your religion. Let some one build a Church or Temple in Mecca and we will let you build a hundred minarets&#8230;.. We know you will never do that, cause you are intolerant to the core.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ashraf</title><link>http://yesbuthowever.com/swiss-ban-minarets-8136288/comment-page-1/#comment-5808</link> <dc:creator>Ashraf</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:06:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://yesbuthowever.com/?p=2261#comment-5808</guid> <description>I guess its time for Muslims to ban to swiss products from their countries as well. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess its time for Muslims to ban to swiss products from their countries as well.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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