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“Everybody Draw Mohammed Day” Group Moderator Has Email Hacked, Shuts Down Facebook Page

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SEATTLE (YBH) – The ever present “Everybody Draw Mohammed Day” controversy has taken a new twist. On Thursday afternoon, during the middle of “Everybody Draw Mohammed Day”, Facebook removed the page from its website.

What was thought to be an act of self-censorship by Facebook, under the fear of retaliation from Muslims, may in fact have been the act of an individual moderator of the group “Everybody Draw Mohammed Day”. As of 7:00 am this morning the group’s page is back up on Facebook with the following statement:

Back. This page was removed two days ago, after one of our moderators had his email and skype hacked. His personal data was revealed. He then got scared and deleted the …page, the blog and the emails. The rest of us, are now back without him after he backed out. This is another scare tactic from the Islamic extremists. We won’t fall. Pictures you were unable to post on the 20th? Check the forums for interviews.

The group’s page has over 108,000 members to date.  Their stated mission is to spark “serious” debate.  EDMD’s full statement from Facebook:

TO CLARIFY: This is not a COMPETITION. We all win or we all lose. Sites and newspapers around the world are quoting us as having a competition, well, we’re not. This is a joint effort.

We also encourage you to make a creative and funny depiction of mohammed. There is no need to make hateful and totally respectless depiction of him. Remember that we also, sad, but true: hurt the feelings of the moderate muslims as well.

Hopefully this page will spark serious debates in international forums.

We are not trying to slander the average muslim , it’s not a muslim/islam hatepage. We simply want to show the extremists that threaten to harm people because of their Mohammed depictions, that we’re not afraid of them. That they can’t take away our right to freedom of speech by trying to scare us to silence.

We encourage you to report all hateful things that get expressed through words & images on this page.

Western media has been in a de facto war with the radical elements of Islam over censorship since the tragic events of 9/11.  The latest round began when Comedy Central caved to pressure from Islamic groups and refused to show an image of Mohammad on an episode of “South Park” which led cartoonist Molly Norris to lampoon the whole affair.  Ms. Norris’ cartoon inadvertently led to the “Everybody Draw Mohammed Day” group being formed on Facebook.  The government of Pakistan has banned the website in the Asian country over the flap.

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  • Sheryar

    Hey, I am a moderate muslim and quite frankly I dont care if other people decide to draw Prophet Muhammed in a good or bad right. But this thing on Facebook has just become a gathering of hateful content against Islam and Muslims. I mean if you read through some of the stuff there…F*** ISLAM, F*** MUSLIMS…its so hateful….all the comments imply that Muslims should be eradicated. Its TOTAL HATE SPEECH and Im appalled that apparently all the "justice and fairness" loving westerners won't do anything about it. Can you possibly imagine somebody starting a "Deny Holocaust Day" or make a page on facebook where 100,000 people are freely allowed to bash Judaism. It would be taken off immediately….I think this whole thing is disgusting….Personally, I hate the Muslim Extremists but I can proudly say that I hate Western Extremists as well.

    • Mr. Booth

      So killing 3,000 people on 9/11 is the same as saying F' Islam to you?

      You are more of an extremist then you realize.

      • Abbas

        Bro!! Do You Have any prove…Until now no one was able to prove it was the Muslims who did this….There is a Documentary which proved that the incident was occurred by the America Goverment Themselves…..Please Don’t Show Hatred On Islam…What would u say America killing Thousand & Thousands of innocent People each day In Iraq & Afghanistan!!!!!

        • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/intelligert intelligert

          Exactly – It's never the muslims. There are no innocent people in iraq & afghanistan to my knowledge.

          • Tim Lingenfelder

            Some things to think about:

            More people have been killed in the name of Christianity than any other religion.

            Making a statement accusing an entire religion of being responsible for 9/11 is like accusing all blonde haired and blue eyed Anglo-Saxons of being responsible for the Holocaust.

            "Absolutes" are ridiculous: ALL members of EVERY organization/ religion/ belief system don't ALWAYS do EVERYTHING. It's usually a small number of extremists that get the attention for the things they do. Statements like "Muslims are terrorists" is ignorant and equally as offensive as "All Christians are abortion clinic bombers."

            I'm hoping some day, we will be able to say "All humans are respectful of each other." It just won't be in our lifetime.

          • A S

            "There are no innocent people in iraq & afghanistan"

            That's disgusting. Truly disgusting. Civilians are not innocent? Children are not innocent? It's ignorant, foolish, blind Westerners that make me ashamed to be a Westerner too. I mean, no wonder muslims are hating on us, your openly declaring that your happy to see entire muslim nations go down, innocent or not.

            Wake up and smell the coffee dude…… open your eyes and really try to see what American governments have done to these countries, even before these wars… stop eating up all the lies they tell you in the media.

        • The truth

          There is no documentary proving this. You can make anything you want look anyway you want on TV. There is a lot of evidence showing that it was religious extremest who did it. Whether the american government had anything do to with it or not is still up for debate though. However, keep in mind, these kind of extremists are not the main body of the religions. Just the same as the american terrorist are not the main body of americans but just the visible ones.

          America is not killing thousands and thousands of innocent people in iraq and afghanistan, they are only killing a couple. As soon as you take up arms you are no longer innocent no matter what your reason. If you are threatening my life, my family or anything else I hold dear and I take up a weapon against you I am no longer innocent. The most important thing to keep in mind, how many innocents were the former governments of those countries killing. I don't know a lot about afghanistan but I know that saddam killed a lot of truly innocent people. And America and other countries that are there will pull out as soon as the countries become stable and the governments that are in place or the ones that take over as soon as they pull out do not go back to killing innocents.

          The worst thing that can happen to a country that is involved in a peace keeping, policing, war based government change is to have that change kill truly innocent people.

          • earthgirl

            The truth: Read up on what Rumsfeld, et al, did to Iraq and the Iraqi people. Check the number of innocent women and children were killed with the U.S. bombing their utility plants, food warehouses, even shopping malls, water treatment plants, etc. that are necessary for living. Then the media showed pics of the Iraqis in rags and dirt. Of course they stood in line to vote, they were offered food. You don't have the faintest clue to what was going on there under Bush, et al. It takes more than a U.S. newspaper, cable. BTW, the 'man in the street' which also included women said they preferred Saddam's regime, not the U.S. and their allies, because of the treatment. If you obeyed Saddam, no problem. BTW, Christian churches were not closed, members of christian churches were not punished. Media nonsense.

    • jane doe

      Actually Sheryar there IS a half dozen "Draw Holocaust Day" pages by Muslims. When I did a "Draw Holocaust on Muslims Day" page it was deleted… but the Draw Holocaust ones stayed up. I also did a "Draw black people being lynched day page" and it was immediately taken down. Like usual Muslims compare everything to making fun of killing Jews. You are as free to make fun of killing Jews as you are killing Muslims or Africans. Do I have that right in the Islamic world to ridicule genocide against Muslims like they do Jews? Why not start denying slavery also?
      I have seen tons of Holocaust denial sites by Muslims who refuse to allow slavery denial, or Bosnian ethnic cleansing denial or Palestinian victim denial to be posted. Muslims are the real hypocrits.

    • Neil H.

      That's Facebook for ya'. Full of pretentious, alcoholic, uninformed meat heads.

  • john white

    Think east far and radical enough, now you remember, there WASN"T a Holocaust, was there?

  • Tayyab

    If you talk About 9/11 You tell meevery day Israel Kill Children In gaza And U American Basterds Rape Iraqi Women And Kill childrens There Innocent ones Well On the contrary Basis If you look over to Kashmir Before 9/11 Innocents were killed by Indian forces is this not Terrorism If muslim kills for his own country or his own protection then it is terrorism han this is what you mean to say you people raid Iraq for Dangerous weapons tell me Where are those Wepons When America Dropped Atom bombs in 2nd world war That was Not Terrorism tell can you give an answer for this If you have Atom bombs then y you stop others to make them if you really care about worlds safty dispose off your wepons of mass distruction …..

    • sam

      My my Tayyab! Take it easy man. You don't have to worry about the gaza…iraq..etc.
      Americans worry about America. If Americas interests are hurt we react. If we are attacked we react. Americans don't blow themselves up because Christains in Pakistan are killed, or christains and jews have been eradicated out of Afganistan…or because hindus and christians have been killed raped and thrown out of Kashmir by Muslim zealots who do not want a free democracy that India has but want an extreamist Islamic state with patronage from Pakistan.
      Americans don't do that – they worry about America. And I think so should you.
      You worry about your nation. If you are Iraqi, talk about Iraq.
      If you can't, then you should surrender to the nearest law enforcement agancy or dial 911 before you blow yourself up.

      • Rajesh

        well said sam. exactly my thoughts. you have nailed the islamic problem. i am an indian and appalled everytime the muslims here go on a rampage for any issue which happened abroad – the most recent example is kashmiris running amok due to the texas pastor threatening to burn the quran. muslims have to renounce their pan-islamic tendency and be loyal to their country and countrymen (incl non-muslims) first.

  • Another American

    Mr. Booth, He doesn't sound like an extremist to me.

    But you, however, sound like another flag waving, backwoods, inbred redneck republican who hates anything that isn't white. Go back to your hole, hillbilly.

  • john white

    Maybe Mohammed, Muhammed, Mudhwad, or WHOever found the 'sacred Quaran or Koran" should have put the book back under the rock. A "religion" that teaches death to non-believers is purely indoctrination.The Chriistian religion preaches death to non-believers, but administered by God, not some pissed-off ranting moron with his head bandaged with towels.

    • A S

      ….. yeah, reeeeal nice, Mr White. It's so refreshing to see grown men and women, so called "educated and civilised" people on this website, turning to remarks such as these, which make fun of someones physical appearance. Well, that page really got some of that "serious debate" on here, didn't they.

  • withbrain

    The terrorist watch list just grew tremendously. Every muslim poster posting a threat and his friends are now in the
    FBI crosshairs. Just like one of those stings where the idiot criminals show up to claim a prize. The peaceful followers of islam are not too bright. Now they have their IP, home address, Picture and the same on thousands of FRIENDS. Classic.

  • Another American

    And a religion that compels people to bomb abortion clinics is any better???

    Moron

    • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/intelligert intelligert

      I know of no such religion.

    • Rajesh

      how many abortion clinics have been blown up. at last count, there were more than 15000 terrorist attacks across the world due to islamic elements.

    • Zoltan

      Thanks for posting, "Moron"! Question – do you have a count of abortion clinics blown up over the last 5 – 10 years? There have been roughly 41 clinics blown up since 1977. I'm pretty sure that qualifies as a good weekend in the middle east. Get to know your subject matter before shooting your mouth off.

  • Page

    I know Molly Norris. She is my friend and my former college student. I also live at 'ground-zero' of the EDMD, Seattle, WA: FRACAS-CITY.

  • Page

    Molly Norris sent her now infamous cartoon to Dan Savage, national blogger, and sex advice columnist for "The Stranger," Seattle's alternative weekly. Although Molly asked Savage to withdraw her cartoon, he ran with it for his own agenda; EBMD on Facebook.

  • Page

    For those of you unfamiliar with the antics of Dan Savage, let me give just one example: he publicly boasted 'attempting to infect a Republican public figure with his flu virus!' Do your homework: (this from a professor); then decide if this is REALLY the cause for which so many people have suffered lately.

    Although I can't speak for Molly Norris personally, I can tell you that her original intention has been wildly compromised. I was horrified to see the bigotry and hatred, and even violence spurned by all the depictions of EBDM.

  • Page

    I am ashamed to be an American. I feel great compassion for those who have been scape-goated by the antics of fundamentalists and fanatics from the full spectrum of the political agenda. What good can come from juvenile, mean-spirited cartoons that incite violence and further censorship?

  • Page

    "We the people" are ALL reasoned people who, from whatever religion or politic, who respect each other enough to have a dialogue. "They" are all the fanatics who hope to win, 'by any means necessary–' even violent means.

    This isn't 'free expression:' this is Political-correctness! Ironically, this 'blogger-fest' dares to quote Ghandi, the champion of Non-violent protest, while inciting violence through hate speech. Political-correctness IS censorship because it is about AGENDAS, NOT FREEDOM. It is ALWAYS about AGENDAS, NOT PEOPLE.

    Do you honestly believe that this will somehow liberate humans from the barbaric acts of fanatics (of every religion), or further the cause for freedom?
    Here's a question for my next quiz: Does anybody remember why we were looking for Osama Bin Laden, or where he's hiding-out now? (HINT: probably not on FB)
    Page Faulkner Mordecai, The Front Porch Talker

  • naveed

    Basic problem of the people of America is that they dont know what is the reality and whats going on in Iraq Afghanistan Palestine and Kashmir they only get the knowledge of the death of their people where as they dont know the reality that every year thousands have been killed by these bloody terrorist forces of evil who rob every fink kill children rape women but the rights are there for only american as they have been forced to blindness as their media doesnt show this all….

    • Sam

      Oh Poor Naveed!
      Poor guy is worried about the goings on in " Iraq Afghanistan Palestine and Kashmir " He has too much on this mind!
      Contrast that with the American, who just as Naveed says, only hears and reacts to the death of his own.
      An American does not blow himself up in Dubai or Pakistan because muslims are killing christians in Sudan or some part of the world. You are right Naveed he will react only if Americans are attacked. Some thing terrible about that!

      Naveed that is why an American is not a terrorist. You on the other hand sound like one who is sympathetic to terrorists or is one in the making.

      If you are Arab I totally understand the emotion about Palestine. If you are Afgan you worry about Afganistan. If you are american you worry about America. And Kashmir! I bet you know nothing about any of this except what you were fed in your mosque.

  • The truth

    This is a big deal to some people and not so much to others. There is a lot of things to talk about I want to start with Tayyab though.

    First learn how to use punctuation. Second, the United States have dropped nuclear bombs on people before and no other country or group of people have. They know the backlash of it more than any other group of people save Japan. Their use in nuclear arms will be limited. Their political background and treaties with other countries make dropping another bomb a last ditch effort. Other countries, who don't have to worry about political backlash or treaties may not have the same issues at play when they make their own bombs. So they need a deterrent. As much as I don't believe in the United States going to war for reasons they have with the middle east countries, I think that the world will be safer as long as they don't dispose of their bombs, at least for now.

    Now on to the heart of the matter.

    The drawing of a prophet, a god, a holy figure, or even someones mom doesn't hurt anyone, it hurts feelings and faith. This then leads people to fight back in their own ways, some people even commit acts of violence against others, all because of what they believe. The United States went to war/police action/large scale playground brawl because of what they believed, and a lot of their people followed.

    There is nothing as powerful as an idea.

    Religion is nothing more than an idea, a belief in a faith. It can not be hurt or damaged in anyway unless the person believing in it allows it. But terrible things can come from this. The crusades were based on the idea, or justified by the idea, that no one shall follow any other god than the christian god. How misguided could you get?

    Most western societies believe that the power of a government should not reside in the power of one person, even Martial Law, and that is why some countries, such as canada, have made modifications to martial law so that even during this time the courts still function under their own power. So how far should they be willing to go to push this belief onto others, and take offense to those that don't follow it?

    People believe that if North Korea gets a full nuclear arsenal they will use it. How far can this belief push the boundaries of peace?

    Religion and politics are moving apart from one another in western society, in canada they are almost entirely apart. If you talk about Islam, Muslim, countries you are generalizing a group of countries based on their religion, but it is ok because these people see their religion as their nationality. Or at least that is the idea that I get from it. So when someone bashes the religion they bash the country. It was mentioned earlier, "What if I draw a bad picture of Jesus." the simple answer is Go ahead. People find pictures of jesus on toast and sell it on ebay, no one has killed anyone because of it. The worst thing that can happen to someone by a country over insulting the christians or catholics or any of the pseudo religions there in, is maybe excommunication which doesn't matter because you don't believe in their belief anyway.

    Those that want religious beliefs to mean the end all of their society should do it, the only thing they could be doing bad is wasting their time. With so many different religions all believing they are the right one and not allowing the beliefs of others they are only going to get insulted. You can't please everyone. But if you are going to start threatening to kill everyone who disagrees with you, do like the omish and remove yourself from society. Because sooner or later you are going to threaten the wrong person and they will put your entire faith to the test.

    This site on facebook was put up because of the insult created by they idea. They were insulted that their basic freedom was pushed aside because of a belief. Now you have to find out what is more important, a provable belief or a faith driven belief, and one that i would have to say would not be the one they believe to be the correct one.

    Let ignorance guide the needy to their afterlife, and let the enlightened live upon the earth.

  • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/intelligert intelligert

    Islam is a shame to humanity.

    • AHTA

      oh! jewish are great, kill muslim childrens, hurting others feelings. rape muslim womens. But they are great. what a intelligent person u are

      • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/intelligert intelligert

        stfu, this has nothing to do with jews.

  • jane doe

    Muslims complain that Holocaust denial is seen as more offensive than Prophet Mohammad denial.
    In the Islamic world denying Mo existed is punishable by death.
    Denying the Holocaust happened doesn't bother anyone.
    Muslims go insane when Mo is ridiculed
    They couldn't care less when dead Jews are ridiculed
    So to Muslims making fun of Mo isn't as bad as making fun of killing Jews. It's infinately worse.
    I also noticed Muslims never say that making fun of Mo is as bad as making fun of slavery, or killing Muslims.
    Interesting

  • The truth

    "I am ashamed to be an American. I feel great compassion for those who have been scape-goated by the antics of fundamentalists and fanatics from the full spectrum of the political agenda. What good can come from juvenile, mean-spirited cartoons that incite violence and further censorship?"

    A lot. Womans rights, anti slavery, and racism as far as it has come so far, have all been brought about by people insulting others with their ideas and jokes. You shouldn't feel ashamed to be an American just as Muslims shouldn't feel ashamed to be Muslim just because a few act differently then they do.

    Religion has to change with society, otherwise your society will fall. Look at Christianity and their work on keeping the scientific world on hold. Gallaleo was attacked and held by Christianity because of his ideas, his correct ideas, on the world and the universe. Where would we be now if we still thought the earth was flat and the centre of the universe. Granted Drawing a picture of a person who claims to have been the messenger of a god may not be as world changing as finding out the earth is round, but it is still a change or at least a difference of opinion. With the world getting smaller and closer together we need to be able to see a difference of opinion. Look at the Jehovah Witnesses. How many of these people have come to your door and offered to share their god and save your soul, only to you have say, "No, I have my own religion."? But they keep doing it even against the odds. Their hope for life after death involves being resurrected by God to a cleansed earth after Armageddon, or to heaven for the limited number of 144,000. How many do they have now? is there still room for others and what if you are 144,001?

    Don't feel sorry for those that let religious beliefs rule their world. No credible religion has started in anytime when people have had the ability to test the belief. The Christian religion only caught on, because it offered equality to every soul in the afterlife when the religions at the time offered servitude. If that one item wasn't there Christianity would be right beside the Wiccans.

    Religions are to be believed in no matter what is thrust upon them. Those that let others dictate their faith are not believers but followers. If you have faith there is nothing that can stop that.

    • stephen

      You are not the only person to do this, so please don't take this personally, but you and many others blame Christianity for the acts performed by PEOPLE claiming to be Christians or acting in the name of Christianity. The Son of Sam said that his dog told him to do what he did and that wasn't true either! It saddens me when people make this mistake, because no matter what these haters say, Christ in no way condones their actions. (forgives…maybe.) I encourage you to really study the Gospels before you attack the people that do, because you have missed the entire spirit and context of the good news! (Focus on what Jesus said and remember that these words weren't dictated, but the memory transcribed.)
      Jesus didn't attack Galileo, but the Pope did. The Pope was a MAN interested in keeping power. In a similar fashion, the crusades were not really started in the name of Christ, but because of political reasons, by a MAN. Did the Son of God say only 144,000 people would see paradise? I believe he said that 'Whosoever believes…'. If you understood His words, you may not be so quick to blame an entire faith for the actions of a few misguided people. (Sounds kind of similar to the problems the Muslims are having now, too.)

  • Tim Lingenfelder

    Some things to think about:

    More people have been killed in the name of Christianity than any other religion.

    Making a statement accusing an entire religion of being responsible for 9/11 is like accusing all blonde haired and blue eyed Anglo-Saxons of being responsible for the Holocaust.

    "Absolutes" are ridiculous: ALL members of EVERY organization/ religion/ belief system don't ALWAYS do EVERYTHING. It's usually a small number of extremists that get the attention for the things they do. Statements like "Muslims are terrorists" is ignorant and equally as offensive as "All Christians are abortion clinic bombers."

    I'm hoping some day, we will be able to say "All humans are respectful of each other." It just won't be in our lifetime.

    • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/intelligert intelligert

      Your nonsense does not relate to the subject, which is the limitation of free speech. and it hurts my intelligence.

      • Tim Lingenfelder

        No, YOUR nonsense does not relate to the subject. Get a band-aid for your intelligence. Free speech is fine, but racist or bigoted comments have no place. I was responding to the blatant bigotry being thrown at a certain religion.

        • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/intelligert intelligert

          there is no blatant bigotry thrown at a "certain religion". Free speech includes what you call "racist" or "bigoted" comments. You were not responding, you were just telling obvious lies, bullshit and platitudes.

          • Tim Lingenfelder

            blah blah Just because you say it, doesn’t make it true.

  • victimofhayte

    You all make me sick. People that dont have respect for other religions, dont have any respect for their own. This page has hurt so many moderate Muslims..you guys cant even begin to imagine. Instead of bridging gaps, lunatics like yourselves are creating these pages and spreading the worst form of hate that I have ever seen in my life.
    The page says "this is not aimed at moderate Muslims, but at the extremists" HELLO DUMB ASS , we believe in the same Prophet so OFCOURSE everyone across the board is going to be offended!!!

    • Aisha was raped

      Bridging gaps with idiots who want to kill infidels?

  • MOHAMMED

    anjinx nanaonan te teh???? GOBLOG!

  • Ms. Kelly

    To all those people who have stated that these cartoons are “hurtful” and “insensitive” to Muslims, I would like to ask the following question: Was it wrong for the National Endowment for the Arts (a U.S. taxpayer funded organization) to give grants to “artists” who depicted Jesus floating in a vial of urine?

    I find it strange that no one has mentioned that depraved incident throughout this debate. When Christians complained that they should not be forced to support, through their taxes, artists who blaspheme THEIR religion and THEIR religious leader, liberals all shouted censorship!

    Christians were told they had no special status to be protected against hurt feelings and that in America freedom of expression is protected, regardless of who gets offended. Now many of those same liberals are stating that drawing funny cartoons of Mohammed is hate speech.

    Can you say blatant, unadulterated hypocrisy?

    • http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewforum.php?f=4 Think about the Muslim children

      Kelly, Jesus is a prophet for Muslims. He is one of Allah’s messenger in the Qur’an.

      • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/intelligert intelligert

        So what?

    • Tim Lingenfelder

      Absolutely incorrect in equating the two. It's apples and oranges.

      It is not a condemnable "sin" to place a christian icon in a vial of urine. It may piss people off, but it is not a sin. If anything it's a sin to "worship" such an icon, a representation of the god of the religion. A type of "golden calf."

      It IS a condemnable "sin" to produce an icon of Mohammed. It is against the "rules" of the religion. The cross/icon in the vial, although it may be gross and disrespectful, it's not against the rules of the religion.

  • A phased individual

    Firstly, I would like to clarify a point mentioned that Islam teaches death to non-believers: This is false. Islam, in it's pure form is anti-violence. The problem with 'extremists' who call themselves muslims (but can't be defined as such) is that their CULTURE and TRADITIONS (which are independent of religion) teaches violence. Then they accuse the religion. SImilar things happen with christianity and judaism all the time but this takes on a much larger scale due to opinion. What the average person saw was muslims committed acts of violence in the name of their religion. What really happened was culture-tradition influenced posers committed acts of violence in the name of a religion that teaches the exact opposite.

    Since 9/11, this frame of mind has been burned into most peoples' minds and they extrapolate it to generalize from the particular and innocent people get affected negatively. Imagine being a russian guy in a patriotic neighborhood during the cold-war. Or a vietnamese guy in a neighborhood filled with 'Nam veterans. Or a colored guy in a neighborhood filled with the KKK. Now that is ethnicity, and people do bash a person with brown skin, automatically assuming he/she's also a muslim. Then they exercise the same bias as a nazi would have against a jew. That is a more appropriate analogy actually. Nazis and Jews. Now it's the world and muslims… I will not justify any atrocities that have been done in the name of religion. Every Judeo-Christian religion (Islam falls under this category) teaches peace but culture and traditions cause them to commit atrocities. Remember the witch burnings? or the first act of terrorism? done by a christian group against the king of england? Either way, you probably don't care: You have a strong bias now and you're not going to budge: but just had to say it.

    I'm a jew of brazilian descent, and I suffer from the same discrimination that muslims do because the color of my skin, my accent, my refusal to eat pork, and a funky last name. I'm automatically categorized as a bad guy.

    A note on 'freedom of speech'… You have to define speech; Is slander allowed? This is slander, hate speech, racism, should it be allowed. A quote from wikipedia:

    In 1798, Congress, which contained several of the drafters and ratifiers of the Bill of Rights at the time, adopted the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798. The law prohibited the publication of "false, scandalous, and malicious writing or writings against the government of the United States, or either house of the Congress of the United States, or the President of the United States, with intent to defame . . . or to bring them . . . into contempt or disrepute; or to excite against them . . . hatred of the good people of the United States, or to stir up sedition within the United States, or to excite any unlawful combinations therein, for opposing or resisting any law of the United States, or any act of the President of the United States."

    Here's the link to the article if you want: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_in…

    Slander, defamation, stuff said or done to bring americans in contempt or disrepute, hatred of the good people, etc. is NOT protected under this law. Americans are not only christians and atheists, americans are also hindus, sikhs, jews, muslims, zorastorists , and any other religion. Americans are NOT defined by religion or by the color of skin or the nomenclature of names. I'm an American, I'm proud to call myself an American, but I will not accept people of the aforementioned mindset to be true americans.

  • chadsanchez112

    "I know Molly Norris. She is my friend and my former college student. I also live at 'ground-zero' of the EDMD, Seattle, WA: FRACAS-CITY. "

    Where do you know her from?
    I know her too!!

  • karl

    How about Anders Behring Breivik? Looks like just one more fine example of religion fueled hatred. I only hope they deliver the same reaction and punishment to the nut job and his brand of insanity as they would have had the perp turned out to have been an Islamist, if this turns out to have been religiously motivated. Crazy is crazy regardless of which delusion the inspiration comes from.

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